i'm very sure if Moshe. worked this jw for 30 minutes. that this jw learned more about the wt in 30 minutes than in his 5 years. being a parasite. you be surprised , the jw would never have listened moshe for 3 minutes. if he didn't want to learn. he was taking it all in. most jw's run after a few minutes. this guy wanted to learn , and he will never forget. great work moshe. john
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Received my tract- long Dub discussion
by moshe ini was raking my leaves when he came by- nice sunny day,too.
he had only 5 years in the org, so the discussion didn't go too well for him.
i told him i had already seen the tract - a friend showed it to me.
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Saw some JW's 'witnessing' in my area - had some questions ready
by cyberdyne systems 101 ini saw some witnoids i know from my former congregation, recruiting across the road from me yesterday.
i was hoping they would call on me as i'd like to ask a few questions.
firstly i wanted to ask them why historians say the destruction of jerusalem was in 587/586, where as only the dubs say its 607?
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johnny cip
cyberdyne: the only mistake you made was not stopping to talk to the jw's when you saw them. i saw about 10 jw's starting to work a street today. and they had one young guy about 15 yrs old that i know was from out of state just by looking at him. i made a bee line for the kid and asked for the new tract, seeing i had about 2 minutes , before the other jw's could drag him away. i asked him if he knew what false religion is? and how would he know? i wasted no time and told him when i was his age , the same people your knocking on dooors with today. promised me the world would end in 1975. aqnd the generation of 1914 would see the big A . WELL SON that is false religion. at about this time the zombies came up. and started calling me apostate. i said that's right I'M AN APOSTATE OF THE FALSE RELIGION OF THE WTS.. 1914 ,1918, 1925, 1874, 1941, 607, pyramids is all false religion. they are trying to drag the kid away. but i keep directing what i'm saying to him. the elders says i was thrown out of the hall. and i agree because i know more about the wt than the whole elder body. and made them look like dopes in the hall library. from their own books. you look like the big cheese elder here. let's go to the hall library right now. and let this kid your trying to make a wt slave out of ,see me make a lying spritual drunkard fool out of you in 15 minutes. to make a long story short. i told the kid . go home and google jw's and see what you find. because i'm sure you don't want to be 70 years old like these dopes your in fs. with , only to learn you been scamed. john
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The Best One-liners for Witnesses
by gordon d inwhat have been the most effective reasons that you've given to the people that you love for why you're no longer a witness?
considering that most dubs have the attention span of a 2 year old for anything from an a-prostate, please be consise and succint with your answers.
just trying to plant some seeds of reasoning.... maybe in-depth discussions with those folks will come at a later time.
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ask any jw. you been a jw how long 25 years? now open up your bible and show me were jesus said he would return to kingdom power in 1914?.... trust me it can't be done. john
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What if she never leaves JWs? (The interminable waiting period...)
by AuldSoul inthis has nothing to do with whether i love my wife.
i always will.. pragmatically, i have come to the devastating conclusion that i don't want to be married to a jw.
any jw.. she asked me last night, "so, do you believe in santa clause, now?
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Auld soul: i'm very sorry what your dealing with. i'll give a few suggestions. which you don't have to use. when she asks if you beleive in santa? i've had this arguement with jw's many times. say well santa is a childs fairy tale. kids get a few gifts and grow out of it. when they get a little older. and figure out it was mommy that went to the store and was santa. now the child a little older, respects that mommy was nice enough to spend her $$$$$ and have a nice holiday. bottom line there was no harm. and the child grows up. now on to the fairy tale of the fds being god's gov't on earth today. and the holy sprit is guiding their every penned word. when you grow as a christian and find that you were scammed ( i forget the verse that your not a child anylonger and now eat real food) the point being made is that you don't believe in fairy tales (santa) your a mature adult . you don't need to believe in the wts. it's all a fairy tale. this is a long argument but i think you get the point. you have to at times slow her down when she's kicking you. and make her see the faults in her4 reasoning. and you don't have to yell and scream to do this. just point out facts. best wishes. john
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Elder's wife nosing in... need help with a letter
by merfi inhey all.
i read through my 10yo open msn window where she was chatting with the elder's wife... a few of the highlights are:.
do you think you might like to come to a meeting sometime?
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johnny cip
merfi: you have no need to feel you have to turn it down or be nice. there is no nice with these people. they are disrespecting you . right now. and will not stop till you stop them. don't be afraid to scare them off. it's the only thing they understand. just by putting them on notice that you will call the police etc. and press charges. if they contact your child once more. no if's and's or butts. you don't need a lawyer. just the child welfare office or the district attorneys office. let them come down on the jw's . if they keep e mailing your child. john
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Following Dubs door to door! ------- sKally style
by gordon d inskally's post made me ashamed of myself!
how ballsie!...
how effective!
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gordon: many here hate SKALLY and her tactics. But i can tell you any jw can bring up next to any wt subject, with her and she has all the answers. any will bury them in 3 minutes. tracts are great. but working the jw's in the street when they are trying to get in their time, really hurts them. ALLWAYS CARRY YOUR BIBLE. (remember freedom of speech and religion) After you let the jw's working a street know. your out there working arm and arm with them to let each householder know. they are false teachers. and do a few door with them. ALLWAYS HOLDING YOUR BIBLE.( AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE WT) they will wilt and get into thier cars and run home. it's a simple tactic. and works great. but you have to have no fear. and you will clean out the fs hot spots in less than a month if you stand up to them and make them look like spritual drunkards a few times. in front of people they are trying to place mag's with. they are scard shit of anyone carrying a bible . if you know it or not. john
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Elders run from WT publications
by Honesty inin regards to my previous thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/123252/1.ashx.
i went with a friend to a bible study this morning.
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johnny cip
i was right on your last thread about this. you needed to tie them to a chair . for at least one hour. and moshe, seems to have the hardware. have to love that box on the head. lol john
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Elders run from WT publications
by Honesty inin regards to my previous thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/123252/1.ashx.
i went with a friend to a bible study this morning.
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good work Honesty; all you have to do is show up with some wt books and they run. once they can't control the study they panic . and they are scared shit of even thier own books. it works every time. john
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1874 a date the Lord chose?
by lovelylil inthis interesting statement was made on a bible student forum and sent to me by one of my friends.
i have copied it the same way he sent it to me.
here a bs is explaining how the lord himself chose the date 1874 as his "invisible return".
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johnny cip
YOU KNOW WHAT . I COULD KEEP THIS THREAD RUNNING FOR 6 MONTHS AND WASTE 6 MONTHS of my TIME , DOING HEAVY RESEARCH ( which i DID 7 YEARS AGO) mostly at the 42 nd' street library in nyc, on russell and ruthfraud. and i could come back here every day and post some facts i found, only to have some bible student of russell side tract me and make me look up some other 150 year old bullshit. been there done that, i'm finished argueing about miller, storrs, j.a. brown, barbour, and any other FRUIT CAKE. from the 1800's all of them were SPRITUAL DRUNKARDS. AND RUSSELL FELL FOR MOST IF NOT ALL OF THEIR CRAP. TIME HAS PROVEN ALL THESE SO CALLED BIBLE SCHOLARS AS COMPLETE IDIOTS. there is really not much more to say. so i'll leave it there. and i'll be damed if i waste 5 more minutes of my life , looking up SHIT I KNOW IS FALSE. John
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I'm meeting with the elders this Saturday
by Honesty inthat's right, guys and girls, i'm going to meet with at least two elders this saturday.. before you get ya britches in a big 'ol wad i can explain everything.. it's like this... well, a good friend asked me yesterday if i would be willing to meet with some jw's who have been having a 'bible study' with him for 5 or 6 weeks.
it appears that these jw's are elders and they have informed him that he is not a christian.
he asked them if they would be willing to discuss their beliefs with anyone and everyone so that he could be sure what they are telling him about not being a christian is true.
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johnny cip
honesty: i read most of the thread. go straight for the throat. walk your friend right out of how they lie. don't waste time. let your friend know before hand you are going to trump them. and they are going to act liked brainwashed assholes. before you start make sure they commit to at least one hour. no walking away. tie them to a chair if you have to. keep them on your topics and ride the living shit out of them for that pre arranged hour. you will do fine. plant some seeds. and show your friend they are NOTHING. punish them . have fun. john